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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thinkweird.info/970/is-chinese-difficult-to-learn#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 13:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is an old post, but I just found it. 

You see, in English there are a few words that sound the same but have multiple meanings, such as their, there, and they&#039;re..  This can be confusing to a learner of English as a second (or 3rd, 4th) language.  Now imagine AN ENTIRE FREAKING LANGUAGE MADE UP SOLELY OF WORDS LIKE THAT.  Tada!  Chinese.  Chinese needs many different characters because THERE ARE ONLY 1600 or so &quot;WORDS&quot; IN CHINESE.  56 total sounds (21 initials and 35 finals - combine to make a total of 413 different &quot;sounds&quot;, plus 4 tones = just over 1600.  Even if you know 3000 characters and can read a newspaper in China, it doesn&#039;t change the fact that 50% of those words, no matter what the character is, are GOING TO SOUND THE SAME as another word.  There are some words that even have 20+ meanings, all defined by the character.  Chinese is difficult to learn because you need to hear the sound in context of other sounds to know what the hell it&#039;s supposed to mean, and because Chinese has ZERO room for growth (ie, there won&#039;t be &quot;new&quot; characters), any new word needs to be made of of existing characters and sounds.

So, Chinese characters will never go away because the language can&#039;t be represented in pinyin accurately.  It REQUIRES characters, otherwise its incomprehensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old post, but I just found it. </p>
<p>You see, in English there are a few words that sound the same but have multiple meanings, such as their, there, and they&#8217;re..  This can be confusing to a learner of English as a second (or 3rd, 4th) language.  Now imagine AN ENTIRE FREAKING LANGUAGE MADE UP SOLELY OF WORDS LIKE THAT.  Tada!  Chinese.  Chinese needs many different characters because THERE ARE ONLY 1600 or so &#8220;WORDS&#8221; IN CHINESE.  56 total sounds (21 initials and 35 finals &#8211; combine to make a total of 413 different &#8220;sounds&#8221;, plus 4 tones = just over 1600.  Even if you know 3000 characters and can read a newspaper in China, it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that 50% of those words, no matter what the character is, are GOING TO SOUND THE SAME as another word.  There are some words that even have 20+ meanings, all defined by the character.  Chinese is difficult to learn because you need to hear the sound in context of other sounds to know what the hell it&#8217;s supposed to mean, and because Chinese has ZERO room for growth (ie, there won&#8217;t be &#8220;new&#8221; characters), any new word needs to be made of of existing characters and sounds.</p>
<p>So, Chinese characters will never go away because the language can&#8217;t be represented in pinyin accurately.  It REQUIRES characters, otherwise its incomprehensible.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://thinkweird.info/970/is-chinese-difficult-to-learn#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 01:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Using pinyin or other Romanization system to replace Chinese characters is a very stupid idea. But some people who never used Chinese before preach abolishing the Chinese characters once and for all, and it is utter ignorance and pure prejudices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Using pinyin or other Romanization system to replace Chinese characters is a very stupid idea. But some people who never used Chinese before preach abolishing the Chinese characters once and for all, and it is utter ignorance and pure prejudices.</p>
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		<title>By: Ye Du</title>
		<link>http://thinkweird.info/970/is-chinese-difficult-to-learn#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>Ye Du</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 08:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Chinese and I am a teen. True, all of my friends and I use pinyin to input characters into computer. As long as we know what a character sounds like, we can type out its pinyin. However, if you give us a article just made up of pinyin, it will be extremely hard for us to read (it‘s just too time-consuming and confusing). We only use pinyin as a tool to input characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Chinese and I am a teen. True, all of my friends and I use pinyin to input characters into computer. As long as we know what a character sounds like, we can type out its pinyin. However, if you give us a article just made up of pinyin, it will be extremely hard for us to read (it‘s just too time-consuming and confusing). We only use pinyin as a tool to input characters.</p>
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		<title>By: thinkweird</title>
		<link>http://thinkweird.info/970/is-chinese-difficult-to-learn#comment-153</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I didn&#039;t read the books you mentioned. Could you quickly summarize their points as related to my arguments?
My basic line of argument in my post is whether China should use an alphabetical writing system, and whether China’s failing to do so in history partly resulted in the high level of illiteracy -- two claims which I totally disagree.

Don&#039;t tell me the authors who probably never learned to speak/write Chinese fluently support with these nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I didn&#8217;t read the books you mentioned. Could you quickly summarize their points as related to my arguments?<br />
My basic line of argument in my post is whether China should use an alphabetical writing system, and whether China’s failing to do so in history partly resulted in the high level of illiteracy &#8212; two claims which I totally disagree.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t tell me the authors who probably never learned to speak/write Chinese fluently support with these nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Stibbard</title>
		<link>http://thinkweird.info/970/is-chinese-difficult-to-learn#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Stibbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TW,
I wonder if you have read either of the following:

DeFrancis, J. (1984) The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy. Hawai’i: University of Hawai’i Press.
Hannas, Wm. C. (1197) Asia&#039;s Orthographic Dilemma. Hawai’i: University of Hawai’i Press.

It really is not useful to claim that because a foreigner does not have native speaker competence s/he is incapable of knowledge about the Chinese writing system or of commenting meaningfully on it.

The points which Froog and Brendan make are supported by some of the world&#039;s leading experts on Chinese. By the way, much of the pioneering work on Chinese writing has been carried out by Westerners such as Karlgren and  Wieger. Being a learner forces one to scrutinise the writing system in a way which native speakers do not need to do as they master the spoken language first  and then, for the vast majority of characters, simply link already familiar phonetic elements to known words.

I suggest you read the above books and then get back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TW,<br />
I wonder if you have read either of the following:</p>
<p>DeFrancis, J. (1984) The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy. Hawai’i: University of Hawai’i Press.<br />
Hannas, Wm. C. (1197) Asia&#8217;s Orthographic Dilemma. Hawai’i: University of Hawai’i Press.</p>
<p>It really is not useful to claim that because a foreigner does not have native speaker competence s/he is incapable of knowledge about the Chinese writing system or of commenting meaningfully on it.</p>
<p>The points which Froog and Brendan make are supported by some of the world&#8217;s leading experts on Chinese. By the way, much of the pioneering work on Chinese writing has been carried out by Westerners such as Karlgren and  Wieger. Being a learner forces one to scrutinise the writing system in a way which native speakers do not need to do as they master the spoken language first  and then, for the vast majority of characters, simply link already familiar phonetic elements to known words.</p>
<p>I suggest you read the above books and then get back.</p>
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		<title>By: thinkweird</title>
		<link>http://thinkweird.info/970/is-chinese-difficult-to-learn#comment-151</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andy,

English is obviously more &#039;difficult&#039; and I am sure you can pick out many grammatical mistakes or misuse of words in the posts of this blog.

I still have headaches in grammar. I&#039;d appreciate it if you could help identify a few for me.

Thank you for commenting and good luck with your efforts in learning Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>English is obviously more &#8216;difficult&#8217; and I am sure you can pick out many grammatical mistakes or misuse of words in the posts of this blog.</p>
<p>I still have headaches in grammar. I&#8217;d appreciate it if you could help identify a few for me.</p>
<p>Thank you for commenting and good luck with your efforts in learning Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thinkweird.info/970/is-chinese-difficult-to-learn#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an English speaker just starting to learn Chinese, and even at this early stage I am envious of Chinese grammar.  If I was to design a language from the ground up I think it would have a lot in common with Chinese.

I really don&#039;t see any way an alphabet would work with Chinese aside from a supporting roll like Pinyin.  The number of homophones would be huge trouble in a situation like that.

When I was a kid in school, Chinese was rarely an option for foreign language study, but things are really changing in that regard. Chinese, in its current, un-alphabetized form is gaining popularity.  If there was ever a language for the future, Chinese has to be in the running for the title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an English speaker just starting to learn Chinese, and even at this early stage I am envious of Chinese grammar.  If I was to design a language from the ground up I think it would have a lot in common with Chinese.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t see any way an alphabet would work with Chinese aside from a supporting roll like Pinyin.  The number of homophones would be huge trouble in a situation like that.</p>
<p>When I was a kid in school, Chinese was rarely an option for foreign language study, but things are really changing in that regard. Chinese, in its current, un-alphabetized form is gaining popularity.  If there was ever a language for the future, Chinese has to be in the running for the title.</p>
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		<title>By: thinkweird</title>
		<link>http://thinkweird.info/970/is-chinese-difficult-to-learn#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>thinkweird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, thank you for commenting. Somehow I only read your comment seconds ago.

I can only partially agree with you: Russian is very diffult to learn due to its complicated conjugations. But it can be argued that Arabic and Chinese are difficult. An American who worked in foreign service told me learning Abrabic was a thousand times easier than Chinese.

I strongly disagree with your claim that English is a simple garbage language and not comparable with Chinese, which is the &quot;prime language&quot;. How did you come to that conclusion?

In fact, any language is difficult for non-native speakers. What I am trying to say in this post is: Chinese will never abandon its writing system and use an alphabetical system.

We can all write Chinese characters, and it is one thing we should be very proud of.

我们都能写中文，这是一件很值得骄傲的事。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, thank you for commenting. Somehow I only read your comment seconds ago.</p>
<p>I can only partially agree with you: Russian is very diffult to learn due to its complicated conjugations. But it can be argued that Arabic and Chinese are difficult. An American who worked in foreign service told me learning Abrabic was a thousand times easier than Chinese.</p>
<p>I strongly disagree with your claim that English is a simple garbage language and not comparable with Chinese, which is the &#8220;prime language&#8221;. How did you come to that conclusion?</p>
<p>In fact, any language is difficult for non-native speakers. What I am trying to say in this post is: Chinese will never abandon its writing system and use an alphabetical system.</p>
<p>We can all write Chinese characters, and it is one thing we should be very proud of.</p>
<p>我们都能写中文，这是一件很值得骄傲的事。</p>
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		<title>By: 中文</title>
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		<dc:creator>中文</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>很抱歉，我必須說你的看法太偏頗而且膚淺，有兩個事實是世界公認的，第一，中文、俄文、阿拉伯是世界上最難的三大語言，第二，別把簡單到跟垃圾一樣的英文拿來跟任何語言比。

非常感謝你。：-〉

Sorry but I have to tell you that your vision is so superficial and stupid, since there are two truths, the first is that Chinese, Russian and Arabic are the most difficult languages to learn that are admited by the Global, second truth is that there&#039;s no any capacity for simple language, such as English, to compare with any prime language.

Thank you very much. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>很抱歉，我必須說你的看法太偏頗而且膚淺，有兩個事實是世界公認的，第一，中文、俄文、阿拉伯是世界上最難的三大語言，第二，別把簡單到跟垃圾一樣的英文拿來跟任何語言比。</p>
<p>非常感謝你。：-〉</p>
<p>Sorry but I have to tell you that your vision is so superficial and stupid, since there are two truths, the first is that Chinese, Russian and Arabic are the most difficult languages to learn that are admited by the Global, second truth is that there&#8217;s no any capacity for simple language, such as English, to compare with any prime language.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. <img src='http://thinkweird.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: thinkweird</title>
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		<dc:creator>thinkweird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second your view. The thing is some European language speakers know nothing about how Chinese characters or Kanji work, and they are eagerly passing judgment on this unique writing system without an iota of knowledge about it. Maybe imperialist mentality is still at work here.

Writing Chinese used to be difficult, but now it has never been easier: anyone who knows pinyin can quickly type, rather than write, Chinese on a computer screen. I have personally taught Americans typing Chinese within five minutes.

The pinyin input programs can ease the burden of foreigner learners to memorize the individual strokes. All they need to learn in order to type is the shape of the characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second your view. The thing is some European language speakers know nothing about how Chinese characters or Kanji work, and they are eagerly passing judgment on this unique writing system without an iota of knowledge about it. Maybe imperialist mentality is still at work here.</p>
<p>Writing Chinese used to be difficult, but now it has never been easier: anyone who knows pinyin can quickly type, rather than write, Chinese on a computer screen. I have personally taught Americans typing Chinese within five minutes.</p>
<p>The pinyin input programs can ease the burden of foreigner learners to memorize the individual strokes. All they need to learn in order to type is the shape of the characters.</p>
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